of the professional supports in policing its own drug policy is now the very, very best and i think mlb and bud selig as commissioner have handled it just right. >> this must have pained you. >> yes, it has. >> watching this unfold. really it's been unfolding since w '91 when the first bans were put in effect in the early '90s. do you believe that the players now view this differently? it seemed during sammy sosa, mark mcgwire chase of the home run record, everybody -- it was open talk that they were all on performance-enhancing drugs. that must have hurt you. >> it really did. it really hurt me. and these kids today, candy, i'm like a father to them. i knew alex rodriguez many years ago when he first came here. he broke my record for home runs in texas. >> do you think that's fair? if he was using performance-enhancing drugs? is it fair that he broke your record? was that a fair fight? >> well, my thing is we don't know. i don't know about the testing and all that. you know, he was accused of it, but i don't know what he was tested and proven that he was on anything. but i like him. he